We need to separate education from credentialism. I can easily buy that black women want to get credentials so they can get government/AA sinecures if they have them. But in many cases this amounts to just going through the motions, there isn’t real knowledge and skills being developed. The Baltimore City government seemed to be run by credentialed black women…but performance was never particularly good. There is something different between that and some Asian kid actually trying to learn how to code for real so that he can build something for real.
“One of the big advantages of the United States not being a welfare state…”
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You will never get realism about ethnic conflict and state capacity from leftists and from open immigration proponents. They believe in ideas over reality.
To elaborate further, the same idea about “aspirational values” can be claimed about leftists who say socialism may fail in practice but we want to aspire to a limited market world in practice. How is that different from the libertarians who assume away the most basic realities of ethnic conflict and impossibility of medium term large changes in racial behavior?
A couple points on Loury’s correspondent. 1) There is aggressive affirmative action for blank women specifically in academia, so much of their enrollment numbers reflects how much education values black women rather than vice versa. 2) the vast majority of the social ills that afflict black populations are concentrated among black males, so the sheer difference between black men and women would actually seem to vindicate the idea that differences in valuation of education matter. One of the peculiarities of black people is how much better (or less bad, depending on the variable) women’s outcomes are relative to men’s compared to other races.
If you read Gene Dattel’s book _Reckoning with race: America’s failure_ (2017) he mentions some of the findings of the old sociologist E. Franklin Frazier.
E. Franklin Frazier, according to Dattel, found that even in the 1930s and 1940s in Chicago it was common for Black American women to complain about the shortage of “good” Black men who were suitable marriage partners for a single Black woman looking to settle down. I don’t recall how “good” was operationalized offhand.
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I chose to buy my own copy of Dattel’s book from Encounter Press. Earlier I asked the Monroe County Libraries to get a copy but they didn’t come through. Maybe I have to get better at managing the acquisitions process of the libraries here.
For comparison, the Monroe County Library system has about 67 copies of Ibram Kendi’s _How to be an Anti-racist_ in the system currently. Fifteen copies are checked out and 52 copies are on the shelves in the system awaiting a borrower at the moment. K-12 doesn’t start in New York State till after Labor Day.
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As a more general point, it is asserted that the educational attainments of Muslim women in Europe tends to be higher than that of Muslim men in Europe. Part of this may be driven by the cultural mores that keep many Muslim school girls at home (where they study and sometimes come to enjoy schoolwork) while their male age mates are far freer to socialize out of doors.
I think there are complex cultural factors at play. For the white working class exploring the issue there is a book entitled _Reading don’t fix no Chevys: Literacy in the lives of young men_. .
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Details on Dattel’s book are here. He is a white native of MIssissippi who studied at Yale and had a career in finance before writing several history books. . The book is favorably spoken of by James Meredith.
I have seen some of the newer chevy repair manuals and it seems to me being able to read is a big help here.
On Roland Fryer: you should look at the details. Fryer was treated unfairly. See Real Clear take below.
Harvard Law Professor Ronald Sullivan: “This process has been deeply flawed and deeply unfair. … It shows what the current [#MeToo] movement, some blood in the water, and good coaching [of witnesses] can produce.”
We need to separate education from credentialism. I can easily buy that black women want to get credentials so they can get government/AA sinecures if they have them. But in many cases this amounts to just going through the motions, there isn’t real knowledge and skills being developed. The Baltimore City government seemed to be run by credentialed black women…but performance was never particularly good. There is something different between that and some Asian kid actually trying to learn how to code for real so that he can build something for real.
“One of the big advantages of the United States not being a welfare state…”
???
You will never get realism about ethnic conflict and state capacity from leftists and from open immigration proponents. They believe in ideas over reality.
To elaborate further, the same idea about “aspirational values” can be claimed about leftists who say socialism may fail in practice but we want to aspire to a limited market world in practice. How is that different from the libertarians who assume away the most basic realities of ethnic conflict and impossibility of medium term large changes in racial behavior?
A couple points on Loury’s correspondent. 1) There is aggressive affirmative action for blank women specifically in academia, so much of their enrollment numbers reflects how much education values black women rather than vice versa. 2) the vast majority of the social ills that afflict black populations are concentrated among black males, so the sheer difference between black men and women would actually seem to vindicate the idea that differences in valuation of education matter. One of the peculiarities of black people is how much better (or less bad, depending on the variable) women’s outcomes are relative to men’s compared to other races.
If you read Gene Dattel’s book _Reckoning with race: America’s failure_ (2017) he mentions some of the findings of the old sociologist E. Franklin Frazier.
E. Franklin Frazier, according to Dattel, found that even in the 1930s and 1940s in Chicago it was common for Black American women to complain about the shortage of “good” Black men who were suitable marriage partners for a single Black woman looking to settle down. I don’t recall how “good” was operationalized offhand.
= – = – = – =
I chose to buy my own copy of Dattel’s book from Encounter Press. Earlier I asked the Monroe County Libraries to get a copy but they didn’t come through. Maybe I have to get better at managing the acquisitions process of the libraries here.
For comparison, the Monroe County Library system has about 67 copies of Ibram Kendi’s _How to be an Anti-racist_ in the system currently. Fifteen copies are checked out and 52 copies are on the shelves in the system awaiting a borrower at the moment. K-12 doesn’t start in New York State till after Labor Day.
= – = – = – =
As a more general point, it is asserted that the educational attainments of Muslim women in Europe tends to be higher than that of Muslim men in Europe. Part of this may be driven by the cultural mores that keep many Muslim school girls at home (where they study and sometimes come to enjoy schoolwork) while their male age mates are far freer to socialize out of doors.
I think there are complex cultural factors at play. For the white working class exploring the issue there is a book entitled _Reading don’t fix no Chevys: Literacy in the lives of young men_. .
= – = – = – =
Details on Dattel’s book are here. He is a white native of MIssissippi who studied at Yale and had a career in finance before writing several history books. . The book is favorably spoken of by James Meredith.
https://genedattel.com/books/reckoning-with-race/
I have seen some of the newer chevy repair manuals and it seems to me being able to read is a big help here.
On Roland Fryer: you should look at the details. Fryer was treated unfairly. See Real Clear take below.
Harvard Law Professor Ronald Sullivan: “This process has been deeply flawed and deeply unfair. … It shows what the current [#MeToo] movement, some blood in the water, and good coaching [of witnesses] can produce.”
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/01/27/harvard_the_new_york_times_and_the_metoo_takedown_of_a_black_academic_star.html